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Documentary “Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes” by Byron Hurt
Hip-Hop has been under the microscope in 2007 as it’s repetitive content continues to get challenged. People from outside as well as inside the culture have been bringing up some real valid questions. Earlier in the year Paula Zann did a special report, “Hip-Hop: Art or Poison?” on CNN. A poll let the viewers vote during the show what they thought and it wasn’t surprising that by the end of the program more in the audience voted it was poison. That same week PBS aired a documentary “Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes” by Byron Hurt. A former quarterback turned activist that loves hip-hop put this piece together. But, even as a hip-hopper Byron brought up a lot of concern about how the music has become so negative and one-sided. That same week I sat at a town hall discussion at the University of Florida as a room full of people passionately discussed this same topic.
Next we had the Don Imus controversy explode onto the scene as the media and general public wanted accountability for his degrading comments about women. The spotlight quickly expanded to also include hip-hop. The question was asked, if Imus was called out, then what about these hip-hop artists that say much worse all the time? There soon was a ton of negative press about hip-hop music and the industry once again found themselves in the hot seat. Suddenly there was this attempt to try to restore the image of hip-hop on several fronts. Oprah even did a town hall where she invited hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons and conscious hip-hop artist Common to sit on a panel and discuss the lyrics and the current state of the culture. This was rare to see a hip-hop artist chopping it up with Oprah as she’s tried to distance herself from having hip-hop artists on her show, as much of its content is negative and degrading towards women. Of course it was brought up that the lyrics are just a reflection of society, but Common shared that all women are “princesses”. It seems there is a consistent contradiction in these discussions. Snoop even got into the action in some different interviews and tried to explain away how when he refers to women with certain offensive names its different than Imus.
Cam'ron
“Snitching” has become another hot button in this year’s downward spiral of hip-hop. This is when someone witnesses a crime and gives the police information. In urban communities snitching has long been looked at as selling out and this has lately been elevated through hip-hop as there has been songs about it and even a popular T-Shirt with a large no snitching logo on it. 60 minutes recently did a special about this featuring hip-hop artist Cam’ron. Cooper from 60 minutes asked Cam’ron if a serial killer lived next door to him if he would tell the police. He replied, “No, I wouldn’t call and tell anyone on him. But, I’d probably move… but I’m not gonna call and be like, you know, the serial killer is in 4E.” The show consisted of interviews with teenagers and young adults who are fans of the music from inner-city environments who strongly agreed with Cam’ron’s stance. There are murders that happen in urban areas all the time that continue to go unsolved because nobody will share what they witnessed. There have been some recent unsolved murders where I live in Tampa and one of the local news stations did a program about this very topic. Some leaders from our church were featured on the panel of people from our community. There are many that feel like they can’t trust the police, or they’re scared someone else will come after them. But, some of it comes down to this negative attitude of just not wanting to submit to any authority or take any responsibility. This attitude continues to be celebrated in commercial hip-hop, but how long will the masses buy into it?
There have been some strong indications the public is tiring of hip-hop’s mainstream message even before the documentaries, the special shows, the Imus comment, and the snitching controversy. After about thirty years of growth hip-hop sales dropped 21% between 2005 and 2006 according to Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). Yes, the entire music industry is in a major slump, but other music genres only dropped around 6%. Nielson Sound Scan reported that 2006 was the first year in over 12 years that there were no hip-hop albums in the top 10 sellers list. All these figures include physical and digital sales. Clubs, concerts, and record stores are noticing the drop. The founder of allhiphop.com Chuck “Jigsaw” Creekmur stated, “The past few years has been terrible for rap.” Some blame the drop in an increase in bootlegging and illegal downloading, but many factor in the growing disinterest in the uncreative negative music.
As I travel around the country and build with people in the culture I find this emerging outcry for change. I’m not just talking about Christians either. Many feel that Nas’s latest album title “Hip-Hop is Dead” sums up the culture’s current state. I’ve dialogued with several cats from urban environments that are so fed up with what’s on the radio that they are even starting to venture into listening to other music genres, as they feel uninspired by hip-hop. This movement started out as a positive urban form of expression in the South Bronx over thirty years ago and has evolved today into this commercialized multi-billion dollar industry that is starting to self-destruct. So, what’s the verdict… is it dead? Is it going to die out and go away? In my opinion… No. Has its influence dropped? Yes. Will it continue to drop? Probably. The masses have been fed a one-sided message for so long that they are now getting sick from its poison. They want something different. Something balanced. Something healthy. Hip-Hop is growing up and people in their 20’s, 30’s, and 40’s want to hear something deeper than just “throwing some D’s on it.”
50 Cent's upcoming album "Curtis"
Many of us have kids and teenagers and we see how this destructive music is now influencing them. There is even an emerging group of secular artists now changing their tune. Master P and his son Romeo are putting out an album on September 4th the same exact date as 50 cent’s new album “Curtis”. P and his son’s project is said to be totally clean and positive and he wants to put it out on the date to offer an alternative to 50’s message.
One of hip-hop’s slogans has always been “Keep it real”. We all know that there have been very few artists in the mainstream that have kept it real. The music videos and lyrics have become more of a fantasy than reality. With rented cars, jewelry, and mansions much of it has become smoke and mirrors. It’s tired. People are waking up and looking for a different message, a real message. I believe this is a great time for Christ followers that do hip-hop music. There is a real passion and creativity behind many of these artists, as they’re not driven by the same goals as those that are just trying to get paid. I also believe this is a great time for all Christ followers in our generation to use this music as an outreach opportunity and a conversation piece. Jesus shared in Matthew 5:13-16 that “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.” (TNIV)
Flame "Our World Fallen" Album
Even if hip-hop isn’t your thing, most of us know someone that’s into it. It might be a friend, someone at our job, someone at the local grocery store, or the person that sits in front of us at class. Introducing them to some new flavor by passing along a hot CD from a Christ centered artist can be such a tangible tool. Groups like Flame, Precise, Pettidee, Cross Movement, and Da T.R.U.T.H. are all serving up some new heat this summer. I recently gave one of my CD’s to “Taiwan” working at my local 7-11. I just saw “Taiwan” tonight as I stopped to get some milk. He was ecstatic about the music as he starting telling everyone around him about the music and my church. God has a plan for the Taiwan’s in my community and yours and many of them are openly searching. Hip-Hop isn’t dead yet… but it is getting pretty stale and dark. This is a great time for believers in Christ to throw some salt and some light in the mix and watch what the creator cooks up.
it's the same cycle as Rock! written by FUDGE,
November 21, 2007
It goes up and down throught time. Hip Hop is not dead just different. snap and lean wasn't what was hot when during the disco era, and it won't be 30 years from now.
Just enjoy your life and don't sweat was HOT or NOT.
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written by michel`,
August 17, 2007
The Question is Is Hip-Hop Dead? well what does the word DEAD really mean webster defins dead as (deprived of life : no longer alive, lacking power to move, feel, or respond, lacking power to move, feel, or respond, no longer producing or functioning , or no longer producing or functioning), these are some definitions that i thought really hit the word dead on the head. so from those definitions is it really dead. it might seem that it is from the people that dont really like it and wish that it would be dead, But i think that the Hip-Hop industry will never be dead even though i hate to say that. it has a great influance on teens and even some adults that sill listen to it. we just have to roll our windows down and just listen if they are not listening to country, or rock they are listening to some form of rap, weather it is bad or wrong it is being listened to and if they are listeing to it that means that someone else will want to listen to it because they have heard a qoute that sounded nice or just sick with it, or brought the heat as you can say. so is it dead no,will it be around and will it influance our youth yes i hate to say that but its true. Now the really question is not that it wil inflance the youth or not but how much will it inflance.
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Of course its dead written by Rudderman,
July 01, 2007
All secular music is dead! Anything seperated from THE SOURCE of life is dead. It has ministered death(lust,love of money, and all other forms of utter darkness)from its inception. The spirit of all Christ-less music is utter darkness, even the "positive" is mere deceptive humanism at best, and demonic and idolatrous self love (krs one) at worst. Satan or the world did not create rhythm or poetry or any creative expression, but the church being in such dinosoar-ish traditional ruts, allowed the unregenerate slaves of satan to discover this artform and use it before us. But, christian artists using God created "FLOW" (Flavorfully Laced Outspoken Words:hows that for a new name for christian rap) will not emmit the holy light inasmuch as we admire, fellowship with, imitate, desire the selfish recognition of, and honor the abominable demon possessed tools of satan! So the question is, is the "gospel" artist you listen to dead and like the world? The unholy dead world doesn't even want to hear such glaring contridictions coming from "christian" artists. It's not this unholy, world imitating, self glorifying, unoriginal,weak, and immature mess that's going to impact the lost or edify the young christian. Repent of that mess if you know you are guilty of this or supporting such cursed foolishness! It's utter darkness! If you are a rapper in denial right now of your sin in this area, all you need to do is check your own weak, powerless lyrics and repent! If you have any reference to your rhyming skills for instance, please know that you are in the flesh and self consumed and the Spirit of God is not actuating you at all at that point at least.If you are trying to sound like JZ or someone else,rapping about money, rapping stupid,rapping whack,don't have sufficient depth in the things of God, or if you are unsanctified, please know that you are misrepresenting Jesus on various levels. If you are feeding on even some of this "christian" music, foolishness is being ministered into your heart. Repent! In the old covenant it says that the musicians had it in them to sanctify themselves more than to priests! If you can't preach a coherent powerful sermon, I venture to say, you need not be publically rapping yet. You need to focus on walking in the Spirit and allowing Him to fill you, not with mere rhymes, but words of substance and life.
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The state of Hip Hip is a huge concern! written by John Smiddy,
July 01, 2007
What is going on with you people?!?! : who u think Why is the Christian rap world talking about hip hop being dead? It's not about hip hop being dead its about Jesus Christ being alive. So many "Christian" artists are not really Christian or are becoming extremely distracted lately to the point where Christian rap is no longer about
Jesus and what He can do for you and how He can save you and deliever you and redeem you but about how horrible hip hop has gone-with no solution to the problem. Christian artists should not be worried about hip hop. Its irrelevant to the gospel of Jesus Christ. And wasting time talking about how bad it is isn't going to do anything-it has no power, no authority, and no potential to save souls which being a Christian is really all about. They shouldn't be concerned about "being the glue in hip hop" and "holding it together"-paraphrased
Tonex is really crazy he has really lost his mind he is really beside him(self)-he thinks it's okay to use profane language-check out his myspace blog
Grits are hypocrites, Bonafide hosted a freakin video entitled Sounds of War talking about how we should be careful about the type of music that we listen to.
Then he gets on this same freakin site and says in his interview
What is currently playing in your CD player? Currently in my cd player, is nelly furtado, beyonce, outkast, ti, and ludicris.
What artist do you want to collab with? Would love to collab with any of these artists or any artist who's serious about their craft and always strives to reach the top.
Pigeon John- Showed his true music focus in an interview with Random Rules and said
AVC: It's surprising how secular his comeback album was. It didn't seem like an enormous amount of spiritual growth took place between the first and the second.
PJ: First he was just a rich local MC from Harlem, and now he's just a very rich Christian.
AVC: Maybe the G in G-Unit will now stand for God.
PJ: Honestly, have you heard that stuff? It's really raw. You've heard about Murda Mase? This is a year ago now, but he can't get out of the deal with P. Diddy. But he's back to rawness again. Actually, I heard that it's a lot better. I think everyone should just be themselves and leave God out of it a lot of times. I don't think God really cares about that stuff. He just wants everyone to be who he created them to be. We kind of clog ourselves up trying to do the righteous thing artistically. You can't approach doing art righteously. That's going to slow you down.
And if you look at these peoples myspaces you should see where they get their inspiration and their influences from and I think to myself "Ain't that the devil on the topside of this earth" June 28, 2007
I feel I have got to respond to this persons comment. "irrelevant"? Hip Hop is our tool to reaching the masses, The state of Hip Hop should be a main concern for "HIP HOP" artists of all faiths especially those using it as a tool for ministry. A carpentor cannot build a house without a Hammer, or with a broken hammer. As hip hop artist we also need to be concerned over the millions of kids that are following the word of people like 50 cent and ending up dead, in prison, or strung out on drugs. These artist target young impressionable boys and girls and make money off missleading them! it makes me sick to my stomach, we should most certainly be worried about this beutiful art form that has grown into an out of conrtol monster! Stop judging christian artist's! they are sinners to and they make mistakes! Atleast they are speaking for god in there music. You cant expect perfection from any human being artist or not.
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What is going on with you people?!?! written by who u think,
June 28, 2007
Why is the Christian rap world talking about hip hop being dead? It's not about hip hop being dead its about Jesus Christ being alive. So many "Christian" artists are not really Christian or are becoming extremely distracted lately to the point where Christian rap is no longer about
Jesus and what He can do for you and how He can save you and deliever you and redeem you but about how horrible hip hop has gone-with no solution to the problem. Christian artists should not be worried about hip hop. Its irrelevant to the gospel of Jesus Christ. And wasting time talking about how bad it is isn't going to do anything-it has no power, no authority, and no potential to save souls which being a Christian is really all about. They shouldn't be concerned about "being the glue in hip hop" and "holding it together"-paraphrased
Tonex is really crazy he has really lost his mind he is really beside him(self)-he thinks it's okay to use profane language-check out his myspace blog
Grits are hypocrites, Bonafide hosted a freakin video entitled Sounds of War talking about how we should be careful about the type of music that we listen to.
Then he gets on this same freakin site and says in his interview
What is currently playing in your CD player? Currently in my cd player, is nelly furtado, beyonce, outkast, ti, and ludicris.
What artist do you want to collab with? Would love to collab with any of these artists or any artist who's serious about their craft and always strives to reach the top.
Pigeon John- Showed his true music focus in an interview with Random Rules and said
AVC: It's surprising how secular his comeback album was. It didn't seem like an enormous amount of spiritual growth took place between the first and the second.
PJ: First he was just a rich local MC from Harlem, and now he's just a very rich Christian.
AVC: Maybe the G in G-Unit will now stand for God.
PJ: Honestly, have you heard that stuff? It's really raw. You've heard about Murda Mase? This is a year ago now, but he can't get out of the deal with P. Diddy. But he's back to rawness again. Actually, I heard that it's a lot better. I think everyone should just be themselves and leave God out of it a lot of times. I don't think God really cares about that stuff. He just wants everyone to be who he created them to be. We kind of clog ourselves up trying to do the righteous thing artistically. You can't approach doing art righteously. That's going to slow you down.
And if you look at these peoples myspaces you should see where they get their inspiration and their influences from and I think to myself "Ain't that the devil on the topside of this earth"
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maybe written by Jeff,
June 19, 2007
Hip hop could be dead, it's only as real as people make it. For me, I will always like hip hop. I mean, I can listen to other genres of music, but it's nice to have a bit of everything, and hip hop is part of that. If all I listened to was hip hop, it would probably get old after a while.
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Hip Hop Is Dead? written by Discerner,
June 18, 2007
If hip hop is dead then why fear. It's time for a ressurrection. If it hasn't happened already. When Abram encountered God, he became Abraham, When Jacob wrestled with God he became Israel. Saul was blinded by God, once the scales fell from his eyes all of a sudden his name is Paul. I see name change as part of the "born again" experience. Not everyone actually changes their name but it happens throughout the bible for a purpose to show us something. That when a person or even concept changes they change completely, leaving behind the old. Paul changed his name and it is never clear why he did, all we know is that he set himself free from the chains of his past. Humbling himself by letting go of the title that his old name gave him.
Well AS for Hip Hop, I personally would like to see a name change. To refresh the scene. Unless it's God's purpose for Christian Artists to carry the baggage that the "Hip Hop" Title comes with. I believe the philosophy of HipHop was Elevation of Self by any means. Whether it is by earning respect, demanding respect or defying established laws in order to fabricate respect. But Christian Hiphop is or shall always be about Elevating Christ with love in spirit and truth.
Heres a new name just to throw something out there:
ummm... LYFE (L)oving (Y)hwh (F)or (E)ternity MUSIC GENRE
or just life music. like what you listen to? I stay bumping Life music..
But then this would encompass all gospel music because they preach Christ they Breathe Life.. so I don't know. Maybe someone out there has a better name for Christian Hiphop in particular.
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Hip Hop is Us written by Dirt from Shadow of the Locust,
June 15, 2007
Hiphop is us!
I've said that since '97. If we are willing to admit that hiphop is dead.... then we need only to look at the 'death' inside ourselves.
For ANY of you to act like there AREN'T alternatives would be for you to deny 1 Cor. 10:13. There is ALWAYS a 'way out' of the mainstream temptation to submit yourselves to the hypocrisy and materialism that we seem to be so frustrated with.
I have BEEN hiphop (a pro-active member as opposed to an onlooker/fan) for over ten years now. Before that I grew up hiphop (in the culture). and I know, personally, so many creative and awe-inspiring artist (beats, rhymes, art) inside this lifestyle called hiphop.
for me, it's always been a matter of support. the people that seem to 'make the 'decisions' tend to be the same people that only care about making money. In turn, they are only going to put money (in the desperately needed promo and manufacturing of an artist product) behind what they feel they will make money (and then some) back on.
so if the 'peoples are buyin it, we'll make it'
You wanna see hiphop come alive?... start finding and supporting the artist that relay the same spirit you want to see hiphop have. stop being a 'standby-er' and BE hiphop. Be a catalyst, spak a change, DO NOT support the things that you don't beleive in yourself (even if the beat is catchy). be active, be alive.... and you'll see hiphop will do the same.
otherwise.... as a lyricist and prophet I can answer the question for you right now... YES.... hiphop is dead.
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going underground written by Shaun B. (Pinnacle Rhythms),
June 15, 2007
When all things die... they go "underground".
Hip-hop has been on life support for many years now. True there are GREAT artists in the unheard ranks of the underground but with lack of financial support, labels marketing clout, and purchases from fans of the real art in retailers... how will anyone hear about it?
We can hand CDs out all day long. Yea it will make a small difference. If you want to make an impact YOU have to get involved! Be Active! SUPPORT!!!
For too long support has been lacking. YES even in Christian hip-hop! Support has been mediocre at best. I would love to see this trend reversed. Does the culture have it in it to do so?
And to the people who feel as though CHH is all the same... I say to you "look around more". There truly is a diverse collection of artists and music available by Christ-centered individuals. If you run in the same circles you are not going anywhere. Look outside your comfort zone for more and you may surprised what you find.
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are we forgeting somthing? written by djclutch,
June 12, 2007
KRS-ONE and Marly Marl brought out Hip Hop Lives.. why isent this relevant? theres plenty of great hip hop out there I think its just more underground and the people who listen to hip hop because they love it, and not because there friends/peers listen to it, will keep listening to great hip hop, you just have to look for it. Hip hop is far from dead.
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Diversified written by LoveJesus,
June 07, 2007
I was reading the comments above about how all Christian hip hop sounds the same. And from what I've heard so far, I would have to agree. I love the positive messages of Christian hip hop and rap artists, but some things are just not going to be effective for this generation. More specifically, they will not be effective for certain people in this generation. We need music and movements that reach all the different categories of people in the world.
There is this one cat, El Prezidino that I've been seeing on MySpace. He is really different. I'm sure there are others similar to him, but I've never seen or heard anyone with his swagger, talking about the things that he talks about. I don't know how to explain it...it's just different. AND SO GOOD! We are going to need more artists like this one and we are going to have to support them. This is one way we are going to the change the world for the Kingdom of God.
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=/ written by BrickBeMe,
June 05, 2007
yeah I been saying that before NAS even made it cool haha but well I see it like this....
Only Secular Hip-Hop is Dead
But Holy Hip-Hop will remain on this earth! =D to me thats freekin Awesome haha
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Contraversy written by Abstract Unique,
June 05, 2007
"The masses have been fed a one-sided message for so long that they are now getting sick from its poison. They want something different. Something balanced. Something healthy. Hip-Hop is growing up and people in their 20?s, 30?s, and 40?s want to hear something deeper than just ?throwing some D?s on it."
"I believe this is a great time for Christ followers that do hip-hop music. There is a real passion and creativity behind many of these artists, as they?re not driven by the same goals as those that are just trying to get paid. I also believe this is a great time for all Christ followers in our generation to use this music as an outreach opportunity and a conversation piece."
"Introducing them to some new flavor by passing along a hot CD from a Christ centered artist can be such a tangible tool. Groups like Flame, Precise, Pettidee, Cross Movement, and Da T.R.U.T.H. are all serving up some new heat this summer."
I chose 3 different statments to express my thoughts upon. The first stamenet I 100 percent agree with. I cant listen to the radio anymore without wanting to tear my hair out. All the songs sound exactly the same. All the artist are talking about the same thing. Those two things get old real quick. When you cant show your depth as an artist you soon dry up. When everyone sounds the same it shows me a lack of creativity. Unfortubatly what happens is that artist who put on thier boys and thier boys will get that same sound or record companies will only sign the sound that is selling records. This doesnt only happen in the cecular realm. At the end of the day in both industries money is an issue because music is a business just like church Monday through Friday is a business. Bills need to be paid, salaries need to be paid.
Second, this is the best time for us to stand in the gap. The problem is are we strong enough to do so? Christian hip-hop has always had to play catch up. Production wise, with delivery and lyricism. We have improved in these areas drastically but can we really stand up to the machine(the cecular industry)? Also, lets not get it twisted, our goals are not to get paid because our job is to spread the good news those who would like to do this full time must get some sort of income in order to take care of our family whether we set a fee or go by offering. Also we want to make good enough music to be able to move units because that helps us to spread the word of God as well as get our ministry heard which will help us to get royalties(money) to be able to grow our ministry.
Lastly, going back to my first point and reffering to the last statment I pulled from the article above the majority of christain artist sound exactly the same. We all talk about the same thing which is Christ and is a good thing. From time to time you will have an artist rep christ lyrically in way that we never heard before or in way is reminiscent of some of our favorite cecular artists but it seem sthat there are two reighning factions in the Christian hip hop. Crossmovemnt and thier camo and Tunnel Rats and thier camp. So you are either a crossmovement clone or a tunnel rat clone. All the artist that come out under crossmovement whether from the east coast or from the south have the same signature sound and style and ministry and the same goes with Tunnel rats which goes back to my first point. We have to be more creative in how we present the meassge of Christ to the masses. Because in a sense all we are doing is doing the same thing as the cecular except with an extreme positve message. We need to be able to diversify ourselves. I not inspired by cecular or christian hip hop for this same reason. I find my inspiration in God and what he places in my heart to write about. You have those that are called to edify body and you have those called to add to the body. this needs to be clearly defined and we need to support each other ministries. People who arent saved cant cant understand the goodness of Jesus if they did we would have to work so hard to win them. All they look for when they look at a christian is not they way they talk by how they walk. They expect us to be perfect because they dont understand we arent perfect and we will never be. So what i am trying to say in a nut shell is that we need to work on meeting them at thier level.
There is so much more I can say but i will stop at this point. This is the truth that i see. In no way am I here to start an argument or a debate but it seems that no one either sees the things I have brought up or just refuses to talk about them. just be blessed and ponder. No need for responses trying to make your point to me to show why I am wrong or what not. Just take it in and pray about it. 1 God, 1 Love, 1 Way....
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... written by Matthew Kerr,
June 05, 2007
So true. Hip-hop will probably never die in the underground, though.
As I travel around the country and build with people in the culture I find this emerging outcry for change. I’m not just talking about Christians either. Many feel that Nas’s latest album title “Hip-Hop is Dead” sums up the culture’s current state. I’ve dialogued with several cats from urban environments that are so fed up with what’s on the radio that they are even starting to venture into listening to other music genres, as they feel uninspired by hip-hop. This movement started out as a positive urban form of expression in the South Bronx over thirty years ago and has evolved today into this commercialized multi-billion dollar industry that is starting to self-destruct. So, what’s the verdict… is it dead? Is it going to die out and go away? In my opinion… No. Has its influence dropped? Yes. Will it continue to drop? Probably. The masses have been fed a one-sided message for so long that they are now getting sick from its poison. They want something different. Something balanced. Something healthy. Hip-Hop is growing up and people in their 20’s, 30’s, and 40’s want to hear something deeper than just “throwing some D’s on it.” 
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